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Post by Rex on Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:38 am

JERUSALEM — In the three months since the Israeli Health Ministry awarded a prize to a pediatrics professor for her book on hereditary diseases common to Jews, her experience at the awards ceremony has become a rallying cry.
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The professor, Channa Maayan, knew that the acting health minister, who is ultra-Orthodox, and other religious people would be in attendance. So she wore a long-sleeve top and a long skirt. But that was hardly enough.

Not only did Dr. Maayan and her husband have to sit separately, as men and women were segregated at the event, but she was instructed that a male colleague would have to accept the award for her because women were not permitted on stage.

Though shocked that this was happening at a government ceremony, Dr. Maayan bit her tongue. But others have not, and her story is entering the pantheon of secular anger building as a battle rages in Israel for control of the public space between the strictly religious and everyone else
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At a time when there is no progress on the Palestinian dispute, Israelis are turning inward and discovering that an issue they had neglected — the place of the ultra-Orthodox Jews — has erupted into a crisis.

And it is centered on women.

“Just as secular nationalism and socialism posed challenges to the religious establishment a century ago, today the issue is feminism,” said Moshe Halbertal, a professor of Jewish philosophy at Hebrew University. “This is an immense ideological and moral challenge that touches at the core of life, and just as it is affecting the Islamic world, it is the main issue that the rabbis are losing sleep over.”

The list of controversies grows weekly: Organizers of a conference last week on women’s health and Jewish law barred women from speaking from the podium, leading at least eight speakers to cancel; ultra-Orthodox men spit on an 8-year-old girl whom they deemed immodestly dressed; the chief rabbi of the air force resigned his post because the army declined to excuse ultra-Orthodox soldiers from attending events where female singers perform; protesters depicted the Jerusalem police commander as Hitler on posters because he instructed public bus lines with mixed-sex seating to drive through ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods; vandals blacked out women’s faces on Jerusalem billboards.

Public discourse in Israel is suddenly dominated by a new, high-toned Hebrew phrase, “hadarat nashim,” or the exclusion of women. The term is everywhere in recent weeks, rather like the way the phrase “male chauvinism” emerged decades ago in the United States.

All of this seems anomalous to most people in a country where five young women just graduated from the air force’s prestigious pilots course and a woman presides over the Supreme Court.

But each side in this dispute is waging a vigorous public campaign.

The New Israel Fund, which advocates for equality and democracy, organized singalongs and concerts featuring women in Jerusalem and put up posters of women’s faces under the slogan, “Women should be seen and heard.” The Israel Medical Association asserted last week that its members should boycott events that exclude women from speaking on stages.

Religious authorities said liberal groups were waging a war of hatred against a pious sector that wanted only to be left in peace.

That sector, the black-clad ultra-Orthodox, is known in Israel as Haredim, meaning those who tremble before God. It comprises many groups with distinct approaches to liturgy as well as to coat length, hat style, beard and side locks and different hair coverings for women. Among them are the Hasidim of European origin as well as those from Middle Eastern countries who are represented by the political party Shas.

As a group, the ultra-Orthodox are, at best, ambivalent about the Israeli state, which they consider insufficiently religious and premature in its founding because the Messiah has not yet arrived. Over the decades the Haredim angrily demonstrated against state practices like allowing buses to run on the Sabbath, and most believed the state would not survive.

The feeling was mutual. The original Haredi communities in Europe were decimated in the Holocaust, and when Israel’s founding prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, offered subsidies and army exemptions to the few in Israel then, he thought he was providing the group with a dignified funeral.

“Most Israelis at the time assumed the Haredim would die off in one generation,” said Jonathan Rosenblum, a Haredi writer.

Instead, they have multiplied, joined government coalitions and won subsidies and exemptions for children, housing and Torah study. They now number a million, a mostly poor community in an otherwise fairly well-off country of 7.8 million. ........................

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/world/middleeast/israel-faces-crisis-over-role-of-ultra-orthodox-in-society.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1


I always there was a large fanatical minority in Israel but I thought that their crazy was mostly kept in check like in the USA. But this......how can this be allowed on an official government ceremony!? Honestly goddamn religious fanatics. No matter the country or religion they always seem to be the cesspool of humanity
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Post by ayan on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:40 pm

Lol And here I thought Israel was the only democracy in the middle east.. Doesn't look like that. Shocked

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Post by Rex on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:55 pm

Sadly democracy seem to be the problem here. Those crazy fuckers (yeah yeah religious freedom and whatever but just because they have a right to be crazy doesn't mean I have to respect sexist assholes)are so many that politician have to pander to them for their votes which makes them an actual influence.
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Post by ayan on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:42 pm

I guess it does make a difference. A Sexist Israeli is no better than a sexist Muslim/christian, but some how it doesn't matter. I also agree with you on the support thing, when does it become too much? I feel like Israel can't do anything bad in the eyes of American politicians. I don't know, go figure.

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Post by Rex on Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:26 pm

I guess it does make a difference. A Sexist Israeli is no better than a sexist Muslim/christian, but some how it doesn't matter. I

What I truly baffled is by this is tolerated. I mean look at the USA. It also has a crazy fundie minority, it also has some high level officials which were complete nutjobs(remember Ashcroft? Dear god!) however I am 100% sure that if a the health minister(wait to do you have ministers in the USA) treated a prominent female scientists like this in the USA there would be riots in the streets and the minsiter would have sacked in two seconds flat. But here it seems to be tolerated to an insane extent. It's like Isarel is going the opposite way of the Middle East. While the Islam countries are slowly getting more freedom and secularization and trying to treat women better Isarel is going the other way

I wonder when they will finally do something about it. Based on the article these crazy fantics breed like rabbits and barely contribute anything to the country so they might be an actual problem soon


ayan wrote:I guess it does make a difference. A Sexist Israeli is no better than a sexist Muslim/christian, but some how it doesn't matter. I also agree with you on the support thing, when does it become too much? I feel like Israel can't do anything bad in the eyes of American politicians. I don't know, go figure.
Well to be fair they are pretty much the only hardcore ally the USA has at the moment and then conservatives have to pander to the fundamentalists Christians after that unfortunate lobby incident from back in the past so there is not much of a choice. Although I do find it funny that the power of the realtionship seems to have switched places and it almost feels like Isarel is at charge instead of the USA. Which is kinda funny
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Post by ayan on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:28 pm

Well something like that would never happened in the US. I am sure we have some nut jobs, but its not as bad as other counties, not even close. Women sue men just for hitting on them ( which I find is appropriate at times: the suing, not the hitting on). Anyway I don't know how people can't think they can be better than others whether it is based on gender or race. I don't understand how someone can feel superior over someone else for no reason at all. Then hide behind God or religion. Then I remember we are humans and we do some pretty shitty stuff I guess. Thought I must say if I ever run into some sexist men, I wouldn't mind chopping their balls off. That might do them some good.

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Post by Rex on Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:38 pm

I am hoping this as well

Women sue men just for hitting on them ( which I find is appropriate at times: the suing, not the hitting on)

Really? Suing people for hitting on someone? That's just stupid. A woman has to be an idiot to do that. The proper response to undesirable hitting on is as follow1)public humiliation 2) warning slap 3) kick in the balls if the message doesn't come through

Thought I must say if I ever run into some sexist men, I wouldn't mind chopping their balls off.
If I ever see fuckers like those assholes here who spit on an 8 year old girl and called her a whore I am with you
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Post by xChorusOfAngelsx on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:26 pm

Rex wrote:I am hoping this as well

Women sue men just for hitting on them ( which I find is appropriate at times: the suing, not the hitting on)

Really? Suing people for hitting on someone? That's just stupid. A woman has to be an idiot to do that. The proper response to undesirable hitting on is as follow1)public humiliation 2) warning slap 3) kick in the balls if the message doesn't come through


Unfortunately there is an increasing amount of idiots screaming sexual harassment just because they can. Mainly women, making us all look like douchebags. It seems that for some women, equality among the sexes isn't enough; they want a chance at domination. They want their asses kissed, but not too much. Does that make sense?

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Post by Rex on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:58 am

Not really. I am from Eastern Europe. Our woman are rather straightforward into showing their dislike when they don't want something.

But then again I think USA is very much ahead when it comes to opportunistic lawyers. Which I can understand. The thought of getting thousands of dollars just by suing someone over everyday little stuff is tempting
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Post by xChorusOfAngelsx on Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:55 pm

Definitely agree about the American lawyers. They're even suing dead people now.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-29/news/30570804_1_metra-commuter-train-edgebrook-dead-victim

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Post by ayan on Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:17 pm

How is she gonna sue him??? Good God what good will come out of this? I swear everyday I hear new things that shock me.

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Post by xChorusOfAngelsx on Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:37 pm

Apparently she's suing his estate. The dude was only like 18, how much of an estate can he possibly have? And it's not like he did it on purpose, it wasn't a suicide. He died by accident and this woman was hit by a body part by accident. Gotta love greed.

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